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(idm) The Jungle complex

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1996-01-04 21:40Eric Hill (idm) The Jungle complex
1996-01-04 22:58Kent Williams (idm) The Jungle complex
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1996-01-04 21:40Eric Hill>>It ain't Jungle though. Jungle is cutting breaks. I've never heard that >>cliche mention
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quoted 8 lines It ain't Jungle though. Jungle is cutting breaks. I've never heard that>>It ain't Jungle though. Jungle is cutting breaks. I've never heard that >>cliche mentioned about complexity, but that's not what Jungle's project is. >>Jungle's _intense_, not complex. > >No, it isn't jungle. I don't think your definition is a good one either. >I've heard that comment of the "complexity" too many times to count, from >the recent induction of "junglists" to the real headz who've been buying >vinyl since '90 and got sick of the 4/4 beat.
I don't understand this idea of Jungle only being a reaction against the FOTF beat. Jungle is an extension of breaks music (through techno) and I have never heard "complexity" enter into the picture or conversation from people who either make the stuff of listen to it. PLease point me toward the light if necessary.
quoted 4 lines I haven't bought a jungle record since Gerald's, and I'm not planning>I haven't bought a jungle record since Gerald's, and I'm not planning >on it unless something comes out I just can't live without. I can't >say a thing about what jungle is in 1996, but I know what it was in >'91.
From what I gather, the guy who brought up the issue of complexity in Jungle asked because he was looking for something good in it - he was trying to like it! I just don't get how people can feel qualified to offer advice on music that they don't like and haven't listened to in a long time and consequently are out of touch with. And to clear things up a little more, France stole the tech for the T.Buff 303 from the Tahitians in a bad-faith deal for a Muruoan sand mine. Historically yours, eh
1996-01-04 22:58Kent WilliamsJust to muddy the waters further: I think the T Power disk is a good example of where jung
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Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:58:50 -0600 (CST)
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Just to muddy the waters further: I think the T Power disk is a good example of where junglish sounds can go. I've been slobbering over this one for a long time, long enough to bore you all, so say no more! Jungle has so many sub-genres that stand out for me that I can't see anyone seriously saying 'I hate jungle.' as a blanket statement. There's old stuff (hardcore and breakbeat before 93), there's drums and bass (sparse arrangements with minimal vocals), there's Ragga (all that Dancehall Gangsta rapping), and there's whatever you call Goldie's stuff, which sounds a lot like 70's soul with cut up beats, and there's 'intelligent' jungle, which is what the white boys from the UK do (AFX, Luke Vibert, Autechre, etc). I really don't like the Ragga stuff. I like the stuff the white boys do, when they really get inside it, instead of saying "right then, I can do a bit of that." I like the minimal Drum and Bass stuff. I find the CD Compilation "Jungle Tekno 4" (Jumpin' and Pumpin' CD TOT 15) something I go back to a lot. The thing that jungle CAN be in the hands of those who DON'T just cut up the same old breaks over and over is a way that dance music can break away from 4x4. Listen to old jazz records sometime, or better yet find a jazz club and listen. When they play something with a samba feel and then cut into double time -- THAT's where jungle can be. I used to work in a bar where they had the same band every saturday night. (Paul Smoker Trio -- big rep today, plays in Europe all the time. I can say I knew him back in the day...) When the drummer took a solo, it was always an amazing trip -- making the drums give the impression of a conversation, a dance, and a melody all at once. Just with a 5 piece trap set. That's what Jungle can do at it's best -- build castles of intricate rhythms. Dream Jungle Show: Art Blakey sits in with T Power. I've even tried making some junglish tracks -- they end up sounding more like Autechre. They don't sound junglish except in the broadest outlines. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://I.m.too.dumb.to.hack.html/~kent Kent Williams kent@inav.net (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)